Wednesday, 9 June 2010

Verse in Koran implicitly accepts the existence of brothels

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YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

PICKTHAL: And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.



It is only sinful if you compel your slave girls.

If you do not compel them then it is OK.

Prostitution should certainly not of course be forced. If it is a willing transaction between punter and prostitute, then it is OK.

If your slave girls desire manumission then prostitution is one of the ways of earning it, then you must allow them the ways and means to obtain their manumission.

Therefore an Islamic state would legalise brothel-keeping.

Interestingly, a liberal-feminist state wishes to outlaw it. Hypocrisy and irrationality, anyone?

6 comments:

Rookh Kshatriya said...

Feminist antipathy to casual sex is perfectly rational. Casual sex or homosexuality eradicate women's potent status as controllers of sex. This is why women invariably oppose casual sex and male homosexuality. Homoerotic cultures like feudal Japan or Norman England tend to hold women in low esteem, for this very reason.

Kashif Shahzada said...

On this occasion Claire is not right!

1. Translations cited in the article render some words incorrectly that completely change the essence.

2. 'Fatiyatikum' in 24:33 means 'your young women', and not slave girls. The root letters of the word are "fa", "ta", "waw". 'Fatun' in Arabic is 'a youngster'. E.g. see 21:60 where Abraham was called a 'Fatun' i.e. a young man.

3. Slavery has been banned by the Quran in 3:79. People R not allowed to enslave others, but be slaves only to God. Wrong translation creates the impression as if slavery is endorsed. Which is not.

4. 'bighā in 24:33 does not mean 'Prostitution'. Its root is ba ghayn ya, whose the basic meaning is 'rebellion', 'wrong conduct', 'oppression', 'unchaste', and words of similar import.

See derivatives of baghā in 38:22, 22:60, 42:27, 19:20, 19:28 etc which demonstrate that the rendering of the word in 24:33 in the translations cited in the essay are inaccurate.

5. Statements like below go against numerous Quranic rejoinders:

" If you do not compel them then it is OK.",

"...If it is a willing transaction between punter and prostitute, then it is OK.",

"..Islamic state would legalise brothel-keeping..." etc


This is so because according to Quran:


a) 'Zinaa' (adultery, fornication) is a major sin and those guilty of it will be destined for hellfire, unless they repent and amend their conduct (see 25:68).

b) Believers R commanded not to even go near it. (see 17:32, 60:12)

c) Fornicators are to be penalised with a 100 lashes (see 24:2)

d) 'Fahisha' (obscenity) is prohibited (see 7:33).

In view of above and more, the assertions made in the article R incorrect.

Claire Khaw said...

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YUSUFALI: It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's": on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."
PICKTHAL: It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.
SHAKIR: It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men: Be my servants rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be worshippers of the Lord because of your teaching the Book and your reading (it yourselves).

I cannot see where this verse bans prostitution, Kashif.

Kashif Shahzada said...

3.79 bans slavery.

"..be my Ibaad (slaves), instead of Allah's..." should not be said by any man, even if he is a Prophet. Human beings R to be in bondage of God alone and not each other, is the quintessential message of the Qur'an.


17:32, 60:12 ban prostitution.

Claire Khaw said...

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YUSUFALI: Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
PICKTHAL: And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way.
SHAKIR: And go not nigh to fornication; surely it is an indecency and an evil way.

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YUSUFALI: O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to Allah for the forgiveness (of their sins): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: O Prophet! If believing women come unto thee, taking oath of allegiance unto thee that they will ascribe no thing as partner unto Allah, and will neither steal nor commit adultery nor kill their children, nor produce any lie that they have devised between their hands and feet, nor disobey thee in what is right, then accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: O Prophet! when believing women come to you giving you a pledge that they will not associate aught with Allah, and will not steal, and will not commit fornication, and will not kill their children, and will not bring a calumny which they have forged of themselves, and will not disobey you in what is good, accept their pledge, and ask forgiveness for them from Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

There are contradictory verses in the Koran about wine.

I prefer to interpret it as tolerating the selling and taking of alcohol or any other drug provided one does not become intoxicated, and to tolerate prostitution for those who have for one reason or another become enslaved and desire manumission.

The Koran clearly acknowledges and tolerates the existence of slavery.

If one has to technically enslave oneself to the state in order to become a prostitute working in a state-run brothel, then so be it.

Having women in brothels who do it for a stated price is better than having most women doing it for free IMHO.

Claire Khaw said...

There are contradictory verses in the Koran about wine.

I prefer to interpret it as tolerating the selling and taking of alcohol or any other drug provided one does not become intoxicated, and to tolerate prostitution for those who have for one reason or another become enslaved and desire manumission.

The Koran clearly acknowledges and tolerates the existence of slavery.

If one has to technically enslave oneself to the state in order to become a prostitute working in a state-run brothel, then so be it.

Having women in brothels who do it for a stated price is better than having most women doing it for free IMHO.

When you have two evils, always choose the lesser one!